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Um.... What Isnt Addictive...
posted by bob on 12 July 2009 at 7:37 pm
I am not saying it addictive. I have never tried, but just bought my first batch, and I am eagerly waiting to try it.
All I have to say is Beer!!! Yeah that’s right, beer is legal in every inch of this world. It’s addictive, it’s a drug, and it kills more people than any other drug!!! OK, so what it helps you feel good it’s fun. If you don’t want to drink then don’t drink it. It’s like weed, it makes you feel good, and it kills less people. People can control their use of weed, just like people can control their use of beer.
But many many people lose control of both weed and beer. Spice is right up there with anything, just like video games, any escape is going to be addictive. What new about this? When I don’t play video games for a while, I get withdrawal symptoms too... cause they are fun, and my escape AFTER work. Just like weed was when I was in college.
Read the news article that this opinion was posted about:
Addictive 'Spice Gold' Causes Withdrawal Syndrome
k2 spice
posted by Olivia on 09 Sept 2010 at 1:22 pm
I reeeeally wish people would be more careful. My friends were telling me about some sort of blueberry k2 incense and I googled it and found out it is counterfeit. Apparently there are only a few authentic blends. The list of fakes is scary long and they don't quite know what is in those, . It's worth checking out if you buy this or know someone who does. Stay safe.....
Dont use spice gold
posted by Jon on 06 Oct 2010 at 12:51 pm
I used the spice on a vacation for a week. My girlfriend and I where enjoying it every day, then on my last day I had a panic attack and thought I was going to die. It has been 2 weeks after that night, and I have been feeling very weak and dizzy with increased heart pounding and long sleepless nights. I hope they put a stop to this, I have smoked weed for a long time and never felt such a bad feeling in my life. Trust me I like the high I got from it, but I can tell you the attack that I got is not worth it. I just wish they would make weed legal so I could just smoke that without getting in trouble.
Pls don't smoke this!
posted by No! on 13 Nov 2010 at 7:07 am
I smoked spice every day for a good 8 months and now that I quit I'm actually experiencing a decent amount of withdrawal symptoms. I have night sweats, hallucinations of dark figures running through my room, nightmares, nausea, migraines, panic attacks, extreme anxiety, weird heart tremors, dizziness and I even fainted once. For all of you about to try this for the first time Omg please don't become a statistic! Think about it, you're putting something you know absolutely nothing about in your body and risking everything just to get high! I feel so horrible about myself now... I never wanted to be a drug addict and now I am. If you're like me and you can't smoke the good stuff because of your career please don't resort to these dangerous alternatives. It's really not worth it! It's been 2 weeks since I quit and I'm still experiencing these symptoms! This shit is no joke and to think I introduced to my family and friends... And my mom ended up having a seizure. Please people this is legit shit, no propaganda involved. Do not smoke spice!
"fakes"
posted by Jake on 19 Mar 2011 at 10:06 am
Yes, there is greater chance for addiction due to the full agonist effect that the JWH-XXX compounds have on the CB1/CB2 receptors, whereas THC is a half-agonist.
So theoretically, addiction potential is much greater because of that. Now, since there has only been 1 peer reviewed study which has been published on JWH-XXX (whichever compound it happens to be), this is pretty speculative.
Now from an anecdotal standpoint: I have experienced no more withdrawals from JWH/CP laced herbal incense than I have from regular Marijuana, or even caffeine. Yes, there is some effect on sleep patterns and probably appetite, but they're mostly mental and will go away within 2-3 days at most. I've seen this effect with both Herbal blends AND straight JWH-018 & JWH-073
Tolerance does develop incredibly rapidly with JWH/CP blends and I'm afraid it might "ruin" natural marijuana for me due to my skyrocketed tolerance.
And with regard to the "fakes" out there:
Yes, there are many brands claiming to be "K2" brand products. They mostly are not. However, most of the time these "off brands" are still the same product, they may contain a different synthetic cannabinoid or in different ratios, but they're all JWH/CP/WIN compounds, dissolved into alcohol or acetone, and then sprayed onto inert plant matter to make a "legal smoke".
Save your lungs, buy the straight JWH, a .1mg scale, and a vaporizer. Don't burn up that dumb random plant matter and inhale it for no reason, unless you're lazy (like I am much of the time, so take it with a grain of salt).
Hope that wasn't a wall of boring text, just trying to put some info out there about the different incense blends out there.
My take home message is this: Educate yourself about what you are putting into your body. Then you can make a decision based on facts, rather than word of mouth and random opinion. Granted, there's not much out there except anecdotes and opinion, but we do what we can with what we have.
This stuff will mess you up
posted by The guy that knows on 08 Jun 2011 at 2:19 pm
Theres been a lot of controversy lately about spice and what not. The bottom line though, this stuff will destroy you. The genuine article, especially the stronger ones, are nothing to joke with. Sure, its fun and it gets you high like nothing bud can do. But use this stuff long enough and it'll mess with your mind and screw up your body.
I have friends who have used it and i myself have used and gone through the withdrawals. If you think staying up for hours on end feeling like your going to vomit at any second while your also trying to deal with a splitting headache. Then yeah, feel free to use it. But for anyone with a brain, stay away from any type of synthetic 'weed'. Stick with the real stuff if your gonna smoke.
k2 withdrawals
posted by tired wife on 18 Oct 2011 at 8:49 am
my husband is suffering k2 withdrawal right now. been going on for a month. he was smoking every day - more and more for about 6 months. when he realized that he was losing a lot of weight (40 lbs) and throwing up every day, he stopped. the dr told him that they are seeing more and more withdrawal symptoms with k2. he was so sick the first week that he asked to go to the hospital twice, but then got paranoid and wouldn't leave the house. after the first week of taking valium from the dr, he started to get better, but during the 2 and 3rd week, he would suddenly get sick and throw up several times before he would feel better. he is now in the 5th week and still losing weight - no appetite. worse thing he ever did was smoke k2. he should have known because his brother tried it once and ended up locking his self in the bathroom for hours and crying that he didn't want to die and leave his kids. so far my husband has lost about 50 lbs.
K2 Withdraw is REAL!
posted by Dustin on 22 Oct 2011 at 6:30 pm
I want to start off by letting everyone know I have tried everything when it comes to drugs. About a year back I was trying to kick an Opiate addiction. My friend told me about this fake stuff at the "foreigner mart"...you know. I was skeptical about it because years back I bought some of this "dryer lint" looking stuff from a head shop which needless to say was garbage. This K2 stuff was by no means any comparison. I actually got high and loved it! I continued on this train for about a year with little notice to change. About 2 months ago I learned this was going to be banned. My reaction was better quit now and save myself some trouble. Quitting something you can easily get at the store still proved very difficult. I was able to quit a day or so but always saw it when buying ciggs. I broke down every time. At the two day mark I began getting dizzy and felt high still but not in a good way. The deadline came and a day before I quit. It was over a week ago I took my last hit. I knew what to expect on the two day mark but it has only gotten worse. My heart is palpitating, I'm very dizzy, hallucinating figures, my palms are sweaty, and I have very bad night sweats. My past withdraw experiences from crack, cocaine, or opiates cannot even compare! If this does not stop I will be going to the hospital. I fear my heart will stop at any moment! Please listen to me and stay away! I would rather you be on crack!
This stuff is like meth
posted by Beowulf on 25 Oct 2011 at 7:41 pm
This stuff is evil fun to smoke but as soon as i stopped cant eat with out vomiting and difficulty in sleeping also depression and a feeling of a mental break down at any minute could occur. This stuff is like meth
Never again
posted by Ronda on 17 Nov 2011 at 9:50 am
Im an educated person and didnt think I was doing anything "to stupid" when instead of illegal POT I bought black rooster insence... 2 months latter I have pneumona coughing up fom, night sweats bad dizzy weak and now NOT working anymore I got so sick. I got sick while smoking it and quitting. Its awful to have night sweats no sleep just not worth it kids..OR adults///
HELP!
posted by Rachel on 17 Nov 2011 at 6:34 pm
I've been trying to get detox all week for my spice addiction. I've been trying to work and function, but have been told by treatment centers that my drug use could not cause severe withdrawls. I've been without spice for 4 days and and have been have tremors and muscle spams. I've been looking for help to get off of this.
i am a user
posted by brandon on 20 Nov 2011 at 5:28 pm
ive been smoking different brands ofd spice for 5 months. out of the group of friends i started with. i am the only one still using and i dont want to be. this drug is powerful, addictive and can ruin any relationship, personal or proffesional. ive lost my job and my gf to this drug and yet i still cant control my cravings for it. spice should be illegal period. it is not a "safe and harmless" alternative to marijuana. ive personally watched a first time smoker attack people, strip naked and run through a softball game because he thought he was in a zombie videogame and thought we were trying to kill him. not only that your body cannot digest the chemicals in spice. they gather in your lungs as you slowly drown yourself in the resin from inhalation. our body can digest THC. but we cannot digest the JWH chemical in spice. this drug will kill you. im not a doctor or a physician. im an 18 year old kid with personal experiences and this drug can destroy your life.
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME!!
posted by Sara on 28 Nov 2011 at 1:23 am
Hello,
My name is Sara, I am twenty five years old...I used to smoke the regular stuff and I was quite happy with that, and when I found out that I could smoke something that was legal I felt like I was doing the smarter, wiser, thing to do. Unfortunately I was terribly wrong. I have smoked spice now for almost a year. I have to smoke more and more, not to get high, but to stop from feeling sick. I have lost over 60 lbs of weight, I cannot keep anything down...I am always feeling sick and on the verge of a panic attack and I already have a history with anxiety. What's worse is I am a college student who also works...I dont know how to detox myself from this while still being successfull with work and school....I feel so crippled from the withdrawals it is hard to do anything else but to lay down. Is there anyone out there that can help me? I feel so alone... I don't know of anyone one else who has dealt with this. I have no insurance and I feel like my body is shutting down...I have no insurance...and at the rate im going, im afraid that im going to end up in the er or dead.
at a loss
posted by Gabby on 18 Dec 2011 at 7:35 pm
I'm 16, in an extremely abusive relationship with my boyfriend of 8 months, and we are addicted to spice. Spice controls everything in my life today. I used to be a sweet girl, I got good grades, went to school basketball games, hung out with girlfriends, spent time with family, I enjoyed life. Now, I lie, I rarely attend school because I can't go the day without getting high, the withdrawal is too much for me to handle. I steal from my mom at least once a week, everything in my life revolves around getting high. I sleep on average about 4-5 hours a night, because I sweat so bad while I sleep. I wake up drenched in a cold sweat every morning. I have panic attacks, my anxiety has gotten 100 times worse, I have developed depression, and desperation. my boyfriend has the same symptoms, but his also include anger. When he's going through withdrawals he's extremely angry and violent towards anyone who interacts with him. I want to get help. I need to get help. I just don't know how. I need help, please.
Our Worst Nightmare
posted by Adriana on 03 Jan 2012 at 6:20 am
Its 6 in the morning and im sittin at my husbands side with no sleep cuz hes withdrawal symptoms are horrendous. At first I though he was having a seizure..looks like an exorcism, I was scared to even get up and turn the light on. Hes freezing cold then really hot and sweaty his spine hurts his heart is beating rapidly his stomach hurts sooo bad he cant move hes got a migraine and these are only the first symptoms he quit as his ny resolution so....i can only imagine what lies ahead...if ur looking for info to help you with a decision if you should smoke spice DONT DO IT
Literally Ruining My Life
posted by cephas on 06 Jan 2012 at 9:56 am
I, like many others, started smoking spice after hearing about it's "weed-like" effects from friends. When I saw it at a cigar shop and tried it for the first time, I was instantly in love with it... a legal high that felt a lot like weed. At first I felt great. It relaxed me, and gave me what I thought was an incredible ability to focus and reason (good side effects for my job). Fast forward 6 months.. my tolerance had probably tripled but the effects had changed dramatically. My ability to think and reason had become so bad that I had extreme difficulty even talking beyond yes/no type responses, let alone focusing on work, even daily living. I would even get confused driving from one familiar place to another. Knowing that these effects could only have come from the Spice, I tried to stop by own will power. The withdrawl effects began. I got the absolute worst cold sweats, day and night, shakiness, loss of appetite (I've gone from 200 to 180 lbs in about 3 months), I would stay awake all night with my mind racing on negative thoughts. I would wake up with extreme panic attacks thinking that I was dying. There was a weekend that I spend on the couch without being able to eat or sleep literally all weekend because of the restlessness and anxiety of that came with me trying to quit.
By this time, I had isolated myself completely from all of my friends and family who mean the world to me. The effects only kept getting worse.
One time in particular I called a "nurse helpline" for after hours medical advice. I didn't mention the spice, but based on the symptoms, they advised me to go to the hospital immediately. I instead went to the doctor the next day who put me an anti-depressant and anxiety medication. (Again, I didn't mention the spice). I'm sitting here typing this, hoping to God that all these symptoms will go away and that my ability to think, focus and basically live life will return in time. (When I say live I mean the day to day activities like going into work, basic daily chores, heck, even bathing and brushing my teeth.) My side effect combination of anxiety and depression on top of all the other withdrawal effects has literally ruined my life at the moment. I may be on the verge of losing my job, my family and friends have all distanced themselves from me because my personality has changed so dramatically. (I've become short and aggressive for no reason). Please please please, if you read this, listen to the warnings, look at the previous posts and see that my story is not the exception. Don't make the same mistake. If you've already started, STOP NOW and get what help and support you can get from your family and friends. If you go to the doctor or ER, let them know about that you've been doing spice so that they can give you the appropriate help as well.
A Never Ending Feeling...
posted by Clinton on 08 Jan 2012 at 10:05 pm
S uicidal thoughts
P anic attacks
I nternal unrest
C ant sleep
E scapism
There are so many things I can say about this drug and what it has done to me. They may have banned the chemicals but there is always a way to change them up it seems like. I started smoking spice about 4 years ago in high school and I seriously I have never really been that strong enough to quit and during those 4 years I was a pretty depressed kid growing up. I started smoking it after dealing with a high school love breakup. It sucked a lot and since I used spice to get over the relationship. The feelings for her still come back when I stop and it sucks because the feeling of not smoking spice seemed to suck way more. I am actually on my fourth day so far of quitting and it feelings like I'm going to live feelings like this for eternity. It is probably the worst feeling I have ever experienced. The mental pain feels like your brain is trying to think of every possible depressing way to make you feel horrible until that drug is back into your system. It finds your worst fears in life and makes them a reality so it makes quitting feel like impossible. I want live and smoking spice is not going to get in the way again. Every time I think about smoking spice I also now think do I really want to feel like this again. I really don't know for sure if I will recover 100 percent but I at least I can tell people about it so they will never ever feel this way. No one I think in this world deserves to feel like a bad feeling is going to last and eternity in their head. If I do recover from this It will seriously be like having a life changing moment and I will be pursuing a career in becoming a drug therapist so people can see the meaning of life behind the drug. If you are addicted to drugs then you will never be able to see who you really are but only who the drug is.
IT Gets Better
posted by clinton on 08 Jan 2012 at 10:28 pm
I read what is happening to you and yes it will get better with each day the feelings wont last as long but they will seem like they dont go away but eventually they will. I love my life now sooo much and everyone that is in it and trust me brushing your teeth without worrying about and eternity of that feeling is the most amazing feeling ever! Since the withdraws was so bad it makes everything after words worth it so keep staying strong and this new year will change your life hopefully.
K2 is bad!
posted by scared wife on 04 Feb 2012 at 6:04 pm
I had no idea that my husband has been smoking K2 for over a year. He was vomiting every day and has lost over 50 pounds. He says he quit smoking it a week ago. The withdrawals are awful. I think he needs to go into a rehab facility. He said after a week, he felt better, but then became a mad man! I am no longer at the house. I am too afraid to be near him. I'm not sure if he is smoking it again or not, since he won't answer his phone. I wish they would just get rid of the stuff. He has been buying it at the gas station down the street. I want to know how long the withdrawal symtoms last.
i thought it was just me... it wasn't
posted by d on 07 Feb 2012 at 9:12 pm
when i first tried it, it was because i could not get what i really wanted, which was weed. when i ried it, i was amazed at how high i was. plus, i could go to the corner store and buy it at a better value than the real thing. when i started hacking up some brown stuff, i knew something was wrong. before i tried it for the second time, i did some research and did not find anything too bad, just that no one really knew what was in it. now, a year later when i find myself spending my last dime everyday even stealing from the ones who care about me most, i knew i had a problem. when i did not really care about weed anymore, i knew it was serious. i only get a max of 4 hours of sleep a day and my family is begining to wonder what going on, and where is the money going. i quit it about a week ago. not panic attacks, but the memory loss and depression REALLY SUCKS. no appetite for most of the day and i pray i don't start hallucinating. don't do it. IT AINT WORTH IT. THIS IS THE NEXT CRACK.
This substance is real bad
posted by JW on 24 Mar 2012 at 7:14 pm
I started on this about a year ago and thought it was great because it is legal. I have never been so sick in my life, and I was a regular blunt smoker daily for like the past 15 years...I never have been this sick. Even though I know it is from "Spice", I cannot stop buying it-I am completely addicted and get really sick when I don't have it. I would not recommend this to anyone, I have a small child and I am always sick and tired. Trying to quit but it's so hard, I guess like cigarettes might be? (don't smoke cigarettes)
I hear they may make it illegal soon, I hope to God they do, I can't imagine my son being able to walk into a gas station like I do and buy this shit. It is the Devil, just like any drug.
PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE USING!!!!
posted by ryan on 03 Apr 2012 at 4:03 pm
Ok, so my cousin and i have been sitting here reading these withdrawl reviews and we are so shocked. Personally, i had no idea that this drug was affecting people in this way.... but worst of all i was blamming all my symptoms on outside factors (anything other than incense). heres a list of experienced withdrawls symptoms... STOMACH PAIN, Nausea, Irritability, Constant anxiety and i now lack the ability to sleep for more than an hour or 2 at a time. HOW LONG DO THESE SYMPTOMS LAST?!?!?!
A parent's point of view
posted by Lisa S on 11 May 2012 at 9:29 am
My son started smoking this toxic chemical a couple of years ago-he went from a fun loving person to a paranoid recluse. He got so bad he had to be hospitalized in the mental health center for 3 days for suicidal ideations. He has had been to several drs because of withdrawal symptoms-stomach pain, wt loss, fatigue, depression and so on. He has had his gallbladder removed because he was having stomach pain-from chemical abuse. He was living with his twin brother but had to move home after his suicide attempt. I thought he was done after that-was I wrong. He went back to it-told me he quit again after I told his father he was going to have to take him. This past time I called rehab programs-then he decided to go into the coast guard. Has anyone quit successfully? I need some advice. It is killing him and all of his family and he just keeps doing it-he has gotten great at lying. I would rather have him smoke the illegal stuff at least it does not make you sick! HELP!!! Why cant they take this stuff off the market for good?
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