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Seriously?
posted by Alex S on 19 Feb 2011 at 6:28 am
First, I question the very statistics you through out... It's like saying 60% of the time it works every time. How about we try a new way instead of saying that maybe just maybe parents are the responsible parties in raising children and we can raise our kids to drink responsibly. Maybe some contrived age limit imposed by a FLOTUS is a made up age limit and maybe people in this country and world should be treated with respect and who knows, maybe that will raise awareness and their ability.
You're article is nothing but fear-mongering and FUD trying to demonize alcohol and EVIL parents.
Maybe you should grab a beer and relax...
Read the news article that this opinion was posted about:
Lock Up The Liquor; Parents Giving Children Alcohol
Jenner
posted by bob on 19 Feb 2011 at 6:36 am
I couldn't help but notice how ambiguous the wording was here: "1.4 million youth met the criteria for alcohol abuse..." If we were to use that "criteria" for the general populace, just about every American who drank at all (and those who use Scope, I would imagine) would be considered alcoholics. I defend DUIs, this alcohol witch-hunt is out of control. Since 1980 and MADD's founding, DUIs have surged for people just having a glass of wine at dinner. It's a money-making scheme by the state governments and lawyers (not complaining, just speaking the truth) but it really messes with people's lives. Now you're going to start targeting the kids for behavior we undoubtedly participated in??
Elementary Statistics?
posted by Tim on 19 Feb 2011 at 7:57 am
Wow... one might think that a the director of a Center for Behavioral Health Statistics would have encountered the idea that there is a difference between correlation and causation... but one would be wrong, apparently.
In other news, 7/610 teen girls who were overweight subsequently gave birth. Remember, obesity can cause pregnancy, so keep your daughter away from the twinkies.
This Article Is a Scare Tactic
posted by Virginia on 19 Feb 2011 at 7:57 am
I grew up in a home where alcohol was strictly forbidden, and as a teen I was completely reckless when it came to drinking. I have let my children have a taste of various forms of alcohol since they were pre-teens. The result? I have older teenage and grown children for whom the taboo of alcohol has been removed. They are the ones who stay sober at parties. They are the ones who drink in moderation (as young adults) or don't drink at all. Other countries have lower (or no minimum) drinking age, and they have fewer cases of alcoholism.
Took a while to find it in the article
posted by Inquire Fordetails on 19 Feb 2011 at 8:27 am
"A major unmet need exists in the treatment of alcohol use disorders"
So, it's just another beg for money. Go it. Great to see the medical world is joining the political world in their moral development.
A parents job is to teach their kids responsible behavior, not to lock up the entire world so kids can't even face it.
Accuracy anyone?
posted by Lisa on 19 Feb 2011 at 8:32 am
How is "In total, 30% of the liquor being drunk by under aged youth is provided by adults or relatives," equal to "More often than not?" That means 70% is by either non-adults or non-relatives. Later in the article, the number goes down to 15.7% for parent or guardian. While adults providing alcohol to minors is disturbing and 30 (or even 15) percent is definitely an issue people should be aware of, inaccurate reporting is irresponsible.
Historic Note
posted by Robert on 19 Feb 2011 at 8:36 am
In 1959 I knew of exactly one party where alcohol was involved. I never drank alcohol until after I was 18 and then only once or twice. Twenty one was the drinking age then but I think a minority of my peers started when they were about 18. Parents and older relatives did not give children alcohol where I came from so if you wanted it you had to contact a stranger and arrange to pick it up on the sly. I have had some problem with binge drinking, and I know the difference between addiction and party. Took a test that said I could never be an alcoholic because I didn't have the right characteristics. Younger parents think it is OK to give their kids alcohol and I am glad somebody decided to publish verifiable results showing it is not. First time on your web site so looking you over Look for me on Facebook: Nearly everything on me open.
Raising Drinking Age Backfires
posted by Marc Romain on 19 Feb 2011 at 9:00 am
The real problem with alcohol is its promotion. If advertising didn't increase consumption and acceptance, companies wouldn't spend billions on it. Interestingly, since the drinking age was raised, the average age at first use dropped from 17 1/2 to 14! A sign that prohibitions increase the allure of the forbidden. Marc Romain-Working against the prohibitions & promotions of intoxicants.
parents and beer
posted by bruce schaper on 19 Feb 2011 at 9:03 am
And Parents should let their kids drink with them around. How else are kids going to learn to handle booze?
The government? The cops? They're only interested in jailing people and making money off the fines forked over by the middle class. The drinking age should be lowered to 18. We got kids getting killed and wounded in combat and they can't buy a drink. It's absurd.
more often not
posted by Steve on 19 Feb 2011 at 9:06 am
Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. You say more often than not and then you say 30% which is less than 50% of the time.
Next you draw the conclusion that drinking between ages 12 and 14 leads to lifelong alcoholism. That seems to indicate that if we can keep a child from drinking until later then we can prevent alcoholism. Perhaps the opposite is true, that those prone to alcoholism will begin drinking at a young age.
I agree completely that youths should not drink, I simply hold journalists to a higher standard that I do, say, a gas station attendant when it comes to spreading stories around.
Your scientific conclusions aren't scientific. You decided what the conclusions would be and then you wrote the story, d@mn the facts.
Teach your children to respect alcohol
posted by Bob on 19 Feb 2011 at 9:15 am
Parents should be the first to provide alcohol to their children (teenagers not little children), just as they should be the first ones to teach them about sex and contraception. However, parents should not get them intoxicated / incapacitated - that is not right. Teens need to see that their parents drink responsibly, teach them to respect alcohol, to shun away from binge drinking. Teens need to learn that if they are drunk at a function, they need to call their parents or a cab to get home. I'd rather teach my teens the good and bad of alcohol, than wait until they get to college, completely naive about alcohol, and allowing college students to teach them how cool it is to binge drink and black out.
Response to Lisa
posted by Sy Kraft on 19 Feb 2011 at 10:53 am
Hello Lisa...
If you read further you will come across the statement:
"15.7% got it directly from that parent or guardian and another 14% got it from another relative."
This adds up to 29.7%. It is fair to round up to 30% in reporting.
I hope this answers your question!
Be well,
Sy Kraft
Thats Not All they are Doing to Kids
posted by Dennis on 19 Feb 2011 at 11:36 am
Well lets look at it this Way okay ? Parents are Allowed to be SERVED BOOZE at RESTAURANTS,Sports EVENTS,Bowling Alleys,Theme Parks with KIDS PRESENT,not only ENDANGERING Them But Others around them and On Our ROADS and Highways,Kids SEE hear all the ADVERTISEMENT on TV,Radio,Magazines,At Sports events,On Billboards Nation wide,Yet NO SMOKING ALLOWED or ADVERTISED..Now Im not really That EDUCATED other than a HS DIPLOMA,When i see a the cost to SOCIETY and Many of my FRIENDS Died from this POISONS Use,I have seen very few dies or get sick from smoking or living with a smoker,NONE to be exact,Yet They TAX,Ban,DISCRIMINATE Against the SMOKER and Let the BOOZE ROLL ON and be ADVERTISED.Now I'm pretty good with Finding Statistics the Average COST a YEAR TO SOCIETY in the USA for ALCOHOL USE is $ 235 BILLION A YEAR....Now what needs to be TAXED Up the YING YANG...Not Smokers thats for sure,Smoking don't even come CLOSE..Any Questions on what is REALLY THE KILLER and ABout Beer only paying .42 cents a GALLON TAX and is the LARGEST Consumed Alcoholic Beverage in the USA and the WORLD.....
Really?
posted by Matthew on 07 Mar 2011 at 1:15 pm
I am 19 and at University in the UK. I grew up with a very liberal attitude towards alcohol in my home. My Father and I would frequently go and have a beer, or have some at home. By the time I was able to drink, I knew my limits, I knew when to stop. I have never had to been carried home, or become so drunk I cannot function.
Compared to my peers however, especially those who have not been gradually exposed, they are not able to handle themselves in the same fashion.
Anecdotal evidence, does not reject what the article says, but it must be taken into account.
I am 21
posted by Deanna on 01 Sept 2011 at 8:44 am
I started dabbling in the alcohol when I was very young. Though I am only 21 now...I am glad I did all of the things that I did. I am happy I got a taste of the toilet when I was 15 ...Haven't done it since! I have a brother who is 15 (going on 16 soon) and he has been stealing my parents alcohol, smokes, etc. It all has to do with the entitlement issue. My brother's generation thinks they should have everything and anything EXACTLY when they want it and IF they want it. This generation of kids...they have broken the mold. They're greedy and demanding, and have no fear of any authority figure. It's not the parents...
Food for thought =)
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