Were Socrates, Darwin, Andy Warhol and Eisntein autistic?
Main Category: AutismArticle Date: 11 Jan 2004 - 0:00 PDT
'Were Socrates, Darwin, Andy Warhol and Eisntein autistic?'
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Historical figures including Socrates, Charles Darwin, and Andy Warhol probably had a form of autism, says a leading specialist.
Professor Michael Fitzgerald, of Dublin's Trinity College believes they showed signs of Asperger's syndrome.
Scientific geniuses Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein have also been previously linked to the condition.
Asperger's is associated with poor social skills, and obsessions with complex topics such as music.
However, people with the condition are often bright, and have above average verbal skills.
Professor Fitzgerald said the number of people being diagnosed with Asperger's had significantly increased as doctors had become more aware of the condition.
He came to his conclusion after comparing the behaviour of his patients with that described in the biographies of the famous.
He believes the author Lewis Carroll, the poet W.B. Yeats and former Irish prime minister Eamon de Valera also showed signs of autism disorders.
He said: 'Asperger's syndrome provides a plus - it makes people more creative.
'People with it are generally hyper-focused, very persistent workaholics who tend to see things from detail to global rather than looking at the bigger picture first and then working backwards, as most people do.
The case of Yeats
'Yeats for example, had problems with reading and writing and did very poorly at school.
'He failed to get into Trinity College and was described by his teachers as 'pedestrian and demoralised'. His parents were told he would never amount to anything.
'This is typical of people with the condition. They don't fit in, are odd and eccentric and relate poorly with others. Most are bullied at school, as Yeats was.'
And yet, said the professor, Yeats went on to prove that he had a hugely vivid imagination while remaining socially aloof - both classic signs of Asperger's.
Strange behaviour
Warhol's unusual behaviour, his odd relationships and his distinctive art also strongly suggested that he had the condition, said Professor Fitzgerald.
'He was a massive collector of articles, but didn't even take them out of the packaging - his house was like a mausoleum - and he had the same difficulties at school.'
Professor Fitzgerald said the success of such high profile figures gave hope to people whose lives were touched by Asperger's syndrome.
'It proves that we should accept eccentrics and be tolerant of them,' he said.
'The nation is pushed forward by engineers, mathematicians and scientists.'
The claims are made in Prof Fitzgerald's new book: In Autism and Creativity: Is There a Link Between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability?
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Is that So?
posted by blake on 14 Feb 2012 at 12:37 pmWell, Jody, you tell me what's more ironic, the article explaining correlations found between autism and other notable people of history or Jody who claims to know what all of these people were like, even though she/he has never met them? Jody who claims to know other people better than they know themselves or the author that looks at correlations?
Does Jody understand that statistical generalizations about a condition does not imply all that the condition is? Ergo, it is possible for someone with autism to overcome their 'deficiencies' while still having extremes in behavior related to autism. You do know that 'genes+experience' make us who we are? In fact the Socratic Method is very Asperger like. Socrates was noted by Plato to sometimes be so lost in thought that he would spend a whole day in one spot until the day had turned to night:
"From the Apology we learn that Socrates was well known around Athens, that uncritical thinkers linked him with the rest of the Sophists, that he fought in at least three military campaigns for the city, and that he attracted to his circle large numbers of young men who delighted in seeing their pretentious elders refuted by Socrates. His notoriety in Athens was sufficient for the Athenian comic poet Aristophanes to lampoon him in The Clouds, although the Socrates who appears there bears little resemblance to the dialectician in Plato's writings. His endurance and prowess in military campaigns are attested by Alcibiades in the Symposium. He tells of Socrates's valor in battle, which allowed Alcibiades to escape when he was in a perilous situation. He also recounts an incident which reveals Socrates's habit of falling into a kind of trance while thinking. One morning Socrates wandered a short distance off from the other men to concentrate on a problem. By noon a small crowd had gathered, and by evening a group had come with their bedding to spend the night watching him. At the break of day, he offered up a prayer to the sun and went about his usual activities.
In addition to these anecdotes about Socrates's peculiar character, the Symposium provides details regarding his physical appearance. He was short and Silenus-like, quite the opposite of what was considered graceful and beautiful in the Athens of his time. He was also poor and had only the barest necessities of life. He was not ascetic, however, for he accepted the lavish hospitality of the wealthy on occasion (Agathon, the successful tragic poet, was host to the illustrious group in the Symposium) and proved himself capable of besting the others not only at their esoteric and sophistic sport of making impromptu speeches on the god Eros but also in holding his wine. Socrates's physical ugliness was no bar to his appeal. Alcibiades asserts in the same dialogue that Socrates made him feel deep shame and humiliation over his failure to live up to the high standards of justice and truth. He had this same effect on countless others.
Pathetic Pseudo-Research
posted by Jody on 29 Sep 2011 at 9:49 amThere may be a positive correlation between manic-depression and OCD in highly creative people, but there is almost no correlation between autism and pinnacle genius in human history:
The claims for Einstein and Newton are without any basis and have been thoroughly challenged.
The saddest facet of all is that there is actually a current 'buzz' in correlating social awkwardness, a la Rainman and Virginia Dixon in Grey's Anatomy with great giftedness, and it just doesn't work at all.
Newton was amiable and nothing like an autistic person. Mercury poisoning? Maybe. Paranoia? Possibly.
Einstein had a rich sense of humor and, again, was NOTHING like an autistic person. Who comes up with this stuff?
And, furthermore, none of the pinnacle geniuses in western history exhibited any signs of this unfortunate affliction:
Rembrandt? Not even close.
Van Gogh? Lead poisoning, rudeness, madness, and more, but NOT autistm. Nothing like it.
Pollock? Not even close.
Matisse? French gentleman. Very sociable.
Shakespeare? Little is known, but seems more like a romantic or pub-going dueler than an autistic person.
Chaucer? Nothing.
Wordsworth? Nope.
Monet? Nope. Mild, sociable, likeable.
Picasso? Jealous, spiteful, but not autistic.
Beethoven? Nope. Not even close.
Bach? Not even close.
Plato? Not even close.
Socrates? Social gadfly, not a socially awkward autistic person.
Goethe? Nothing.
Dante? Nothing we know of.
Homer? Little known, but unlikely.
Milton? Not even close.
Rubens? Scammer, early assembly line developer, low standards, but nothing whatsoever resembling autism.
Galileo? Nope.
Copernicus? Not even close.
It goes on and on and on and on and on.
So, if none of the pinnacle creative geniuses in human history exhibited any signs of autism spectrum disorders, how is there any correlation whatsoever? If anything, there is a NEGATIVE correlation between autism and pinnacle creative genius.
It's pathetic and misleading.
JS
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